Ok lets be clear. IQ is only legit when administered by an appropriate professional (usually Psychologist, Psychiatrist, or Psychotherapist). Also, some of the normal tests ‘max out’ at a certain IQ level. You have to use a different test for the higher levels.
ie. people in these uber IQ societies don’t even really have a true test to measure 170-200 IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Society
Mensa, the most famous [IQ] group, is open to one person in 50 … The Triple Nine Society has a 1-in-1,000 cutoff (the 99.9th percentile, hence the name). And the Prometheus Society shoots for 1 in 30,000. But the most restrictive group is the Mega Society, which is theoretically limited to one person in a million (the 99.9999th percentile).
Then there’s the Trump intelligence society, where he is the only one smart enough to qualify.
I’m not sure that this this tells me anything. Obama won a Nobel prize, and I’m not really sure what he did to earn it.
Making something appear logical by omitting relevant data is rhetoric, not logic.
If you want to argue that my dad was not intelligent, that’s fine, just don’t be dumb about it.
Not saying your dad wasn’t intelligent. Just trying to make the point that winning a Nobel Prize doesn’t necessarily make one smart.
Although Obama didn’t win an “academic” one, such as Physics or Economics. He won the Peace prize, which put his squarely in the camp with Al Gore and Jimmy Carter. I kinda wonder if the Nobel Peace Prize isn’t just an international award given for general “coolness”, rather than for any real achievement.
At any rate, I didn’t mean to offend. And if I did, I apologize.
I agree there are very smart people in finance but doubt there are several or even few very smart individuals on AF site. Maybe couple…Very smart as in IQ of +160 or equivalent to working for NASA or working in quantum physics lab or finding the next generation of vaccine/medicine against Malaria…I just do not see someone this smart taking the CFA exams and spends his/her time posting coments on AF forum. I just cannot see that happening. Probably has degrees in MS or some ridiculous degree from top schools and don’t even bother with cfa, cpa or abc.
People this smart are quite different. What is “normal” or the “duhhh” moments/thoughts/actions to us may or may not be normal to these extremely smart people and vice versa. That is why they are the 0.1%. They are just slightly different.
Thanks for the consideration, but I’d be most comfortable running for “best looking” among this crowd. We may be smarter than average as a group, but it probably wouldn’t take much to stand out physically.
You didn’t really offend, I was just irritated that you ignored the very point that you quoted above, and it was pretty clear that you knew it. The literature and peace prizes are not academic. And I was talking about the physics prize (peace or literature prize would obviously not be about the J/psi meson, though you might be quasi-forgiven if you thought it was chemistry instead of physics).
Technically the prize doesn’t go to the most intelligent… they go to people who have made the most meaningful contributions to whatever topic they cover, and in that realm peace and literature are perfectly legitimate goals. Generally for the “academic” prizes, a high level of intelligence is required to get to the limit of human knowledge and then make a meaningful contribution, but of course there’s also some elements of luck, politicking, etc… My father sucked at the politicking part… something I unfortunately inherited.
The peace prize to Obama was a strange choice, given that it was really just relief that the US had elected a president that was less likey to invade a country on patently false pretenses. I was pro-Obama, but I also thought that it was hard to figure out what he had already achieved to warrant it. It was impressive that a black man could become President of a country with such a history of entrenched racism, but I don’t get the sense that that is what the Nobel committee was thinking of. Perhaps the prize was really for the American people rather than it’s president. Still, just because the marines can mess up an operation doesn’t mean that the marines is not a formidable fighting force, similarly, the fact that the peace prize was given strangely when Obama won it means that no one who ever got the prize ever really deserved it.
To add to infinity’s comment: I also believe that having an IQ above 120 or so is probably a waste on most people. I look back to some people in HS that I thought were extremely smart, and while most of them are in good, high paying jobs that require some intellect, none of them are astrophysicists at NASA, or anything else that remotely resembles it.
I am very luck to know 1 true genius. This person went to my HS. Scored a perfect 1600 on SAT. She told me on typical days she memorized 500 words a day. Went to MIT graduated in 3 years with no grades under A-. Yes, she does go out to bars, clubs and has “normal” friends like myself as well as very smart friends like herself. Got her Phd and works for Boeing Defense with govt clearance badge/ID.
perhaps you just revealed your own level of false pretense re: the level of ‘entrenched racism’ in the U.S.
I’m smart enough to know when I’m not the smartest person in a room. I’m delusional, so I rarely feel this way, but I have 2 friends that have what I would consider genius level intelligence and I never feel smarter than them, regardless of the topic.
One did a mechanical engineering program and then spent a decade with JPL/NASA. He burned out and was always pretty granola and now he lives a very low stress life. He teaches high school physics and has a team of kids that win state robotics competitions every year.
The other is a physicist who was more or less “I can quit working” wealthy by 30. While still in college, he designed some laser/sensor thing that oil refineries were wetting themselves over and he’s got a number of patents on various devices used in refineries and breweries and stuff. I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about 99% of the time. He’s a “troubled genius” type who will fly back to his parents house for 3 weeks and completely dissasemble and re-assemble the muscle car he built with his dad back in high school. I’ll get a text that he’s in town, and there will be an Olds 455 motor in pieces on the work bench and he’ll have no good explanation for what it is he’s doing.
Yeah I have met a handful of very smart people and some are outgoing and fun. But, there are definitely others who can’t really filter what they are saying to effectively communicate (ie. talking technical jargon nonstop), which puts them in a place of isolation and dependence on their work or other isolative environments. I think we can all understand this when talking about finance situations to girls at the bar, etc. To effectively communicate, one must tone down jargon from the field. Maybe this is common sense to some but not all. For those who don’t have the social IQ to do this, it blocks them off from a large part of the world.
You mean you weren’t at least a little surprised that enough people voted to put a black man in the Oval Office in 2008?
You mean that people lighting black churches on fire is just normal civilized behavior?
You mean that all these videos that come out of police bludgeoning or tackling or shooting unarmed black men are “all in a day’s work”? Or that you can find a proportionate number of instances where unarmed white people are treated similarly?
Because that’s what you mean when you say “false pretenses”.
Or maybe it’s just a nice day in Galtistan.
maybe your perception is biased by news and social media snesationalism and the actual statistics don’t in any way support your view of an ‘entrenched racism’.
I can assure you with 100% certainty that there a great many idiots working for Boeing Defense (NSA, DIA, CIA) with a top secret clearance. I can neither confirm nor deny whether I was one of them.
Edit - I have no idea who you are, and certainly don’t know your friend, so this was not a personal knock. Just wanted everyone to realize that having a Top Secret clearance does not a genius make. Not everybody who has a TS clearance is James Bond…and that’s putting it nicely.
Just saying she has some clearance badge and that she is the smartest person I know. Did not say she is smart because she works for Boeing or due to her badge etc.
I did however say she is genius because of her educational attainment. Others info were added in as noise/bonus.
Although it would be pretty cool to have some kind of top secret clearance badge and work on the next generation of fighter jets or weapons systems.