Disagree. I’m not religious, but I believe you are mistaking the excuse for the cause. If religion wasn’t present then people would have found another reason. We’re violent by nature.
^Agreed. Just like the T-800 said, “It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.”
Plus, you’re also ignoring all the good that religion does.
Not to mention the fact that socialists dominated the 20th century body count by subjugating religion.
Dude, my logic still holds. whatever other reason wouldn’t be religion, so therefore, i’m still right…
So much fail.
Agree 100%
My readings were from mainly Arab papers which might not be considered partial so here’s a UN report for you guys
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_04_08_2014.pdf
The Rafah area in southern Gaza continues to be the main focus of hostilities, with the Israeli military still present in the area. Rescue workers report recovering over 70 bodies from the area today but parts of Rafah are still inaccessible because of ongoing hostilities. A strike on an UNRWA school in Rafah today, which killed at least nine people, is the SEVENTH incident in which an UNRWA shelter has been hit. The UN Secretary-General, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process and the UNRWA Commissioner General have issued separate statements condemning this incident and calling for an independent investigation. Since the last situation update, at least 192 persons, many of whose status still needs to be verified, have reportedly been killed. This brings the cumulative death toll among Palestinians to at least 1,717, according to preliminary data collected by the Protection Cluster from various sources, which includes 343 persons (20 per cent), who could not be identified or their status established. Of the fatalities whose identity and status could be verified (1,374), nearly 85 per cent (1,176 people) are believed to be civilians, including 377 children (27 per cent) and 196 women (14 per cent), and 14 per cent (198) members of armed groups. According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, as of 20:00 on 2 August, 9,078 Palestinians, including 2,744 children, had been injured.
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My problem is not that I love Hamas or abhor Israelis. Israelis have every right to defend themselves and kill Hamas terrorists. But what I do have a problem with is KILLING OF CHILDREN, WOMEN & NORMAL PEOPLE LIKE ME, who just want to live their normal families, eat KFC burgers and have an Iphone.
The world and now even US, the biggest ally of Israel, is pressuring Israel because of the killings of the civilians. Muslims do not give a crap about Hamas (although there are some who love them). If it was only between Israel and Hamas, this situation would not have esclated to where it is now.
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“A strike on an UNRWA school in Rafah today, which killed at least nine people, is the SEVENTH incident in which an UNRWA shelter has been hit.”
My point is that Israel is playing foul game. When they kill Muslim civilians, it’s because they are terrorists. When it happens to them, they pull out the anti-semitism card.
These guys don’t have food to eat. Their utilities are cut off. Their homes are destroyed. And the worse of them, they are losing their family members one by one. Just don’t come crying when this next generation of terrorists start destroying your happy lives.
Of the fatalities whose identity and status could be verified (1,374), nearly 85 per cent (1,176 people) are believed to be civilians
A 15% hit rate despite having the elite military capabilities. Very poor, man.
I don’t really know what Israel’s line of thinking is. But I can tell you this:
Person A tells me, “Don’t attack me. If you do, I will kill you.”
Person B tells me, “Don’t attack me. If you do, I will kill you. Then I will kill your wife and kids. Then I will kill your parents and brothers and sisters. And I will burn all your houses to the ground.”
I will probably be more afraid of B than of A. And I will be less likely to attack B than A.
Is this abhorrent? Reprehensible? Is it tatamount to “killing innocent women and children who just want to eat KFC and have an iPhone”? Maybe so. But I’m still less likely to attack B than A.
Now this is an argument I can really buy into
You are right. But the problem is Person A is punishing people who just happen to belong to the same faith as Person B. And these people will become the Person B of tomorrow.
I have not done any research on this topic but here’s a suggestion. If A really wants to go after B, then why does not he try to block B’s fundings, weapon supply routes, military training camps etc. where it really hurts rather than just bombing every thing?
All the more reason to kill them today, so they can’t grow up and attack me tomorrow. (Remember, do unto others before they do unto you.)
It’s really easy for us to sit back in our La-Z-Boy, in our suburban townhome with our luxury cars in the driveway, sipping on spiked strawberry lemonade, and say, “Well those darn Israelis are just very bad people.”
If you were living in Tel Aviv, surrounded on all four sides (and even underneath) by people who are hell-bent on killing everything you hold dear, you might have a different perception of the situation.
is osama bin hiding still living in pakistan?
Wait… So it’s Israel’s fault that Hamas bombs them because Israel failed to keep them from acquiring bombs?
99.9% of ppl on here never been in these shoes. when i lived in israel carrying my gas mask to school was part of everyday life. setting up a bomb shelter inside the house and then running in there and duck taping all the windows shut when the alarm sounded was normal too.
haters gonna hate, keep hatin they gonna get destroyed too
Here’s the deal, Israel is killing 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed by rocket fire and the reason is:
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The rockets are fired from civilian neighborhoods. It is impossible for me (or, frankly, anyone on this board) to accurately say whether Hamas is actively trying to maximize Palestinian civilian deaths to rally world opinion against Israel. What I can say with certainty is that Hamas makes strategic choices, namely firing from civilian areas, that increases the odds civilians will be killed. Hamas could fire rockets from less populated areas or store munitions and/or rockets in buildings that are not schools or hospitals, but it has chosen not to do that. Even if this is just indifference it makes Hamas somewhat guilty.
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Israel uses massive military force against civilian areas, knowing it will kill civilians. Israel comments that it is trying to balance three sometimes conflicting objectives: when possible, avoid killing civilians, show them we mean business, and protect the troops at all cost. It seems that they are quite successful in the latter two, but lacking in the first objective. Israel says that they cannot simply ignore rocket attacks, so it must bomb civilian structures. This is a false binary choice. It’s possible sometimes Israel is forced into an impossible choice between ignoring rocket attacks and bombing a civilian structure, but it is hard to imagine that Palestinian rocket attacks that have killed seven or so Israeli civilians would justify the killing of 800 or so Palestinian civilians.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, both sides bear blame. The news always presents the issues as zero-sum, framing things as “Hamas is free of blame because Israel bombs too often” or “Israel has to do what it is doing because the rockets are fired from civilian areas.” It’s obviously more complicated than that, and there is plenty of blame to go around.
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P.s I have nothing against Israelis. Just wanted to show that it is not so bad on the other side.
As a former US Marine, I can tell you this:
If you decide to open fire on me, then hide behind a pregnant woman holding twins (assuming she’s co-operating with you and trying to shield you), then I will return your fire. Whoever gets killed…sucks for them. Maybe they shouldn’t have been shielding you.
Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
No, that’s not what I meant. I was suggesting if they could spend so much effort/funds on bombing everyting, why don’t they try some of the above options? The civilians death toll would be far less in that case and they would still achieve their objectives.
Idk. He might be living in my basement and I would not have a clue.
That’s tough man but let me tell you what’s tougher, having no food, no house, no FAMILY and a bomb chasing your a**.
Except the analogy is probably much more akin to a person shooting at you from inside the school and you have air support that can bomb the school into the stone age. Do you bomb the school?
Hamas stands for Hiding at Mosques and Schools.