Game of Thrones Season 6

Yes, I get that too, but Littlefinger surely will try to parlay this into something bigger than “ok, now we’re even.” The preview suggests as much, but I was wondering about it from the moment that the Vale arrived.

Also, Jon didn’t seem to be such a great tactician, which was a disappointment. There seemed to be no point in the battle where he seemed to do anything particularly clever. He didn’t have Robb’s skill that way. I had thought that holding off Mance at the wall might have indicated tactical thinking, but perhaps that’s limited to defending a fortress rather than the open field.

Jon did say he dug some trenches to prevent a flank attack. But then the Knights of the Vale rode in anyway. Good thing they didn’t encounter any trenches, it seems.

And Ramsay launching arrows into his own cavalry seemed tactically dumb too, though I guess it fit his cruel character. At the end of the day, did he think wouldn’t need any cavalry in the future? Curious.

I have a case of the Mondays.

STL is right. :wink:

Eh maybe I just heard something wrong. I thought Tyrion said he told Jaime about the wildfire.

Season 6: the big simple minded ones do stuff with doors and save the day.

Jon’s emotional let me charge them on my own was overdone. It was tantamount to suicide for someone who supposedly had it together. Made no sense except for good TV

I really want to believe you came up with this. It actually stirred my loins.

^^enjoy your loins. It is my orginal synopsis.

So book readers: is there any explanation of why Dorne was able to hold its own against Targarian Dragons in Aegon’s time? Dorne’s geography doesn’t seem to be particularly flame-resistant, and sandy dunes tend to be highly exposed. Is it just that magic doesn’t work well in Dorne?

The Targaryens, under King Daeron I, actually did conquer Dorne, but they were unable to keep the rebels in check and eventually achieved peace through marriage.

They remained independent for a while because most of the population lives in sand dunes and caves so their homes can’t burn to the ground. Basically, they’d just hide whenever they saw a dragon. Aegon didn’t have many troops and Dorne is only accessible through a few mountain passes or by ship, so it was the only one of the seven kingdoms that Aegon’s strategy didn’t really work on. (The Eyrie in the Vale also held out for a little while, but eventually Aegon’s sister, Visenya, simply flew her dragon right into the Eyrie’s inner courtyard and that was impressive enough to get them to bend the knee - that and Visenya was nice enough to take the little lord Arryn, Ronnel, on her dragon for a ride around the mountains. Basically won the Vale by giving a free dragon ride to a kid.)

As Higgs mentioned, they eventually sealed the deal by marriage, and several marriages between the two houses occurred later making them strong allies. Dorne doesn’t really like anyone else in the seven kingdoms (they probably don’t mind the Starks, other than the fact Ned killed Arthur Dayne but he returned his sword to his family so he got respect for that) so they’re a shoe-in to back Dany.

Thanks for the explanation STL. That makes some sense, though presumably an army can’t mass in the presence of dragons, so I’m not sure why a small army would be a problem. Though I can totally see how a guerrila war would work in Dorne and how marriages could be the better play.

Also, I know the dragons aren’t fully grown yet, but somehow I expected dragons to be more devastating to wooden ships than was shown last Sunday. It seemed that it required all three dragons to take out a ship, or one dragon firing for a very long time. I figured a dragon could at least take out a single ship fairly quickly and perhaps flame several at once. Given stories of the Field of Fire and Aegon’s three dragons, I was expecting more.

But maybe demands for visuals required it and can be explained by the fact that they may still have a bit left to grow.

I believe that was just to make a point. Dany wants those ships.

+1

Speaking of making a point, I thought Tyrion committed a huge breach of decorum when he allowed Gray Worm to kill two of the masters to make a point. While I have no sympathy for the masters, their safety for that meeting should have been guaranteed.

Good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

They broke the pact. If it was a negotiation, like the one they had earlier, then sure.

Assuming Dany’s dragons grow to be as large as Aegon’s (which I think is likely given the parallels), even Drogon should grow much larger. Balerion’s wings would span an entire town and block out the sun. More impressively, the first real show of power put forth by Aegon was melting the biggest castle in Westeros - Harrenhal. Balerion single-handedly turned the largest castle to glass in a matter of a few minutes.

They broke the pact, but were meeting to discuss the terms of surrender. While they erroneously thought it was Dany who was going to surrender, it was still a negotiation and their safety should have been guaranteed.