Thoughts on these MidEast Embassy Attacks/Protests?

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#41

Thanks Alladin, will do that :slight_smile:

#42

Ok, forget God’s blessing for now. He is a liar and has the anti Christian spirit. He is using dead people’s social security numbers. He needs to be impeached. He doesn’t even represent the voice of the people and is changing the basic foundation of America.

#43

Now they are attacking/protesting/burning the German and British Embassies in Sudan…

Once again, I would love to have a job where I can just go outside and burn shit and throw some rocks.

#44

I think the other way of looking at it is that they don’t have jobs…

#45

Just kidding, the above is actually lifted from somebody’s facebook post…yes, there are people that crazy.

The people who made the movie are disgusting, below are some quotations from them. They say that “We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen”! Oh, so you you expected innocent people to die as a result of manufacturing your “film”.

In my opinion this is close to shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater. The first amendment protects these people, of couse, because making the movie cannot be blamed for the deaths. That blame lays at the feet of those who committed them. However, these movie producers were responsible for supplying part of the motive.

Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film (reports allege that three other American embassy workers were killed in Libya as well), he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

“I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good,” said Bacile. “America should do something to change it.”

A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm. Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that “you’re going to be the next Theo van Gogh.” Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

“We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen,” Klein said.

#46

This is where I disagree. I think fighting to defend freedom of speach when it’s been threatened with force is possibly one of the most morally sound fights worth engaging in. Yes, his motives may have been more narrow than that, but I think we should be rallying behind his freedom rather than bowing to threats, which is basically what all this boils down to. Noone rants and raves about the movie “religulous” “saved” or any of the other films poking fun at religion. How many of you have ragged on scientology or mormons on their ranches over the past years and noone gets flack for belittling someone’s beliefs. – Because noone should get flack. Freedom of speach is sacred. The only reason this is an issue is because the Muslim world has shown itself as violent and brutal and has attempted to impose it’s values on our country by limiting rights of speach. I find that unacceptable and worth defending.

#47

@BS. Right, kind of like what I said in the next paragraph. It does get a little gray sometimes, though. For example, Justice Holmes, speaking for the unanimous Supreme Court, stated, “The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.”

So, if something is uttered to provoke violence then it is not protected. The causal relationship between the release of the Mohammed movie and the riots/murders is too loose and the filmmakers are protected. However, the people in the Libyan media that continually played clips from this film in order to incite religious furor would not be protected…except they do not live in the States and are not subject to Constitutional law.

#48

Also, I think it is kind of interesting how different the US and Libya (or Egypt) understand the US in the context of the Arab Spring. In the US, it seems most people think “we” got on board with the uprising relatively early on and, as global champions for democracy, are clearly on their side. In Libya and Egypt it seems most people think that the US supported their previous dictators for 20 years and flipped when it became obvious that those dictators would be overthrown.

Libya and Egypt are probably more correct than the US here, although it does not feel great to say it.

#49

double

#50

The training for the attacks was conducted in Afghanistan with the full protection and support of the Taliban. Where the actual terrorists were born is not that relevant, at least not within the context of the invasion of Afghanistan. Let’s look at it in very local, personal terms. My friend Joe doesn’t like you Palantir, and decides that he wants to break into our house one night with a bunch of his buddies to mess you up but wants to practice first. Since I have a large, remote property he asks me if he and his buddies can stay at my place for a while and practice their assault on your house. Since I don’t like you either (just for the sake of this example), I say sure, come on over. I’ve got plenty of space and no one is going to pay attention to you practicing an assult on Palantir’s house. Are you saying I bear no responsibility for the eventual attack?

#51

Intelligent people should know that the “champions of democracy” line is BS, and quite frankly it should be BS. The responsibility of the US government is to be the champions of US interests.

#52

‘People are more impressed by the power of our example rather than the example of our power’

Daddy Clinton

#53

So now what if you were installed by Joe in your large property? Who’s fault is the attack then?

That’s where your argument is not correct. Taliban is a group that’s created by Pakistan (look it up) as part of its doctrine for “strategic depth”, and many of these camps you refer to were located in Pakistan as well. Afghanistan is simply a geographic location, and not the key actor behind these attacks. If the US was serious about actually dismantling and defeating the Taliban, it would have headed not to Afghanistan, but the neighbor. Without P support, T goes away.

Despite going to war for ten years and killing over a hundred thousand people in this war, Taliban is alive and safe, and taking refuge where? See the pattern?

#54

Just so you know Plantir, this is actually going on. Thursday nights at 7 pm @ Higgs, AF meet / Invasion of Plantir’s House Drills, then poker.

#55

Too late.

I’m taking refuge at Blake’s.

#56

The coalition forces defeated the Taliban and then took their eye off the ball by going into Iraq. Had we not bought into the WMD fallacy, Afghanistan would be a very different place today. The fact that Pakistani intelligence services founded the Taliban is not irrelevant, but does not change the fact that the Afghan government (i.e. the Taliban) knowingly aided the 9/11 attacks and willingly provided shelter and support to persons intent on doing harm to the US and its citizens. Pakistan is not free of guilt, but Afghanistan was the low hanging fruit.

#57

These are preplanned politically motivated attacks, religion and culture have nothing to do with it other then being a simple justiication and cover. As was the case with terrorism and the invasion of iraq.

#58

^Final Score Plantir 4 - higgmond 1

#59

^ A hole-in-one beats a bogey everyday of the week!

#60

From the embassy to the KFC…what’s next, Popeyes?

http://rt.com/news/kfc-tripoli-lebanon-fire-140/

A Hardee′s and a Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) fast food outlet burns after protesters set the building on fire in Tripoli, northern Lebanon September 14, 2012. (Reuters/Omar Ibrahim)